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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: Time management |
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Time dilation would account for the Islanders to think that the chopper left a long time ago. The "real world" would not see the time the same way. As someone pointed out, the rocket should have taken 30 sec to target but it took 31 min. So the time dilation "factor" would be 60:1. That is, the real world goes 60 times faster than the Island. So then, 24 hours (1 day)on the Island would be 60 days on the freighter. Then, also, the freighter may have moved from where Lapidus left it. (Though they may remain anchored under orders from their boss).
I'm not saying the 60:1 factor is true but it illustrates my point. (in fact it is probably way too big, since 2004-2007 divided by 60 = only ~18 days).The unknown is how long the the rocket traveled before it encountered the "time shift barrier".
Furthermore, this would mean that the "real world" assumes Kate got pregnant on the Island, as they have been gone for ~3 years. And, that the father was one of the non-survivors.
Though Aaron I believe is aging in the real world, as after the hoopla of the O6 returning and then protracted time of court dealings would have given Aaron time to age.
Upon review, perhaps the 60:1 time shift is the natural Island time shift. That is, perhaps the entering the numbers/pushing the button (i.e. Degaussing the Island) kept the Island "in sync" with the real world or at least minimized the time shift.
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Why make things so linear? if there is a distortion in the time space continuum the numbers don't have to work out.
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Only fools are enslaved by time and space right?
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Right you are!
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I like the idea that pushing the button kept time synched up on and off the island. It would be very hard for Dharma or Ben to maintain their enterprise if there was such a difference. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Time management |
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| jg wrote: |
| So then, 24 hours (1 day)on the Island would be 60 days on the freighter. |
What troubles me about the whole time-lag effect is that there have been a number of calls placed between the island/freighter in realtime. Does that mean transmissions are unaffected by the barrier? If so, it kind of steps all over the references to magnetic anomalies and 'quality of light' and so on. |
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I think the time shift - communication paradox is solved by the "fact" that the physics of the shift do not greatly affect electromagnetic radiation (EMR). That is, as you say Daniel states the light is different on the Island, but perhaps only slightly so. In that, perhaps since EMR travels at the speed of light and thence the delay would be imperceptible in human communication.
Indeed, I would be curious if light is affected by time at all. In other words, does the age of light change as it nears bodies of great mass (i.e. stars or black holes). Finally, would gravitational time dilation affect the speed of light.
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| jg wrote: |
| I think the time shift - communication paradox is solved by the "fact" that the physics of the shift do not greatly affect electromagnetic radiation (EMR). That is, as you say Daniel states the light is different on the Island, but perhaps only slightly so. In that, perhaps since EMR travels at the speed of light and thence the delay would be imperceptible in human communication. |
The only other example I can think of is when Sayid and Hurley are listening to the radio and the old music comes on. Hurley makes a comment that implies the signal might be from the past...and then Sayid gives a more logical explanation.
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| Indeed, I would be curious if light is affected by time at all. In other words, does the age of light change as it nears bodies of great mass (i.e. stars or black holes). Finally, would gravitational time dilation affect the speed of light. |
The speed of light in vacuum is a fundamental constant...but I have no idea if strong gravitational fields somehow 'stretch' the definition of vacuum (if I was guessing I'd say they don't). I majored in physics, but we stopped short of General Relativity! |
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I think that the time shift is a result of the button not being pushed. I also think that Ben wanted this to happen. thinking that it would keep these people form finding the island. Oceanic flght just happened (or was it fate) to fly by at the wrong time. and screwed up Ben's plans
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| I think that the time shift is a result of the button not being pushed. I also think that Ben wanted this to happen. thinking that it would keep these people form finding the island. Oceanic flght just happened (or was it fate) to fly by at the wrong time. and screwed up Ben's plans |
So, are you saying Ben orchestrated the events that led to the button not being pushed by Desmond when the plane did crash?
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| suburbanhood wrote: |
| I think that the time shift is a result of the button not being pushed. I also think that Ben wanted this to happen. thinking that it would keep these people form finding the island. Oceanic flght just happened (or was it fate) to fly by at the wrong time. and screwed up Ben's plans |
So, are you saying Ben orchestrated the events that led to the button not being pushed by Desmond when the plane did crash? |
No I think the plane crash was accident. But Ben was using the people to not push the button, rember he told Locke that he never pushed and nothing happened when Locke's leg was trapped. So i think Ben enver watned the button pushed but couldn;t physiicaly stop people from doing he had to trick people into doing it. He jsut found his sucker in Locke
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| suburbanhood wrote: |
| I think that the time shift is a result of the button not being pushed. I also think that Ben wanted this to happen. thinking that it would keep these people form finding the island. Oceanic flght just happened (or was it fate) to fly by at the wrong time. and screwed up Ben's plans |
So, are you saying Ben orchestrated the events that led to the button not being pushed by Desmond when the plane did crash? |
No I think the plane crash was accident. But Ben was using the people to not push the button, rember he told Locke that he never pushed and nothing happened when Locke's leg was trapped. So i think Ben enver watned the button pushed but couldn;t physiicaly stop people from doing he had to trick people into doing it. He jsut found his sucker in Locke |
I can't remember really clearly, but didn't Ben push the button when he was trapped in the room in season 2? |
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I think Ben actually did push the button since had he not, HE would have been destoyed. Not an option for him. But, if someone else doesn't push and dies then so be it.
Another man's pain is easily borne.
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I think Ben actually did push the button since had he not, HE would have been destoyed. Not an option for him. But, if someone else doesn't push and dies then so be it.
Another man's pain is easily borne. |
thank you you put it better then I could.
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My interpretation of the button pushing was that Ben did not really know the true purpose of the Swan Hatch. Toying with Locke would help him out, not pressing the button would have an unknown affect.
Ben seems to know a lot of stuff about the island, but I do not think he knows the whole story, or all the plans of Dharma. Like Locke, I think he is still putting peices together and faking his way through it - although he is much further along and has a plan.
If Ben had known about the button and wanted to turn it off to affect the time issues, it would have been alot easier to take out the Hatch when Kelvin was alone. They had the Pearl(?) viewing hatch that allowed Ben to watch the Swan Hatch and stop the button pushing at any time - especially since Kelvin left the hatch frequently.
I do not think Ben knew what the button pushing was for and I do not think he knew the affect that would occur. |
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