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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: Ben's Man On the Boat? |
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Well, I didn't think it was Michael, because I thought that would be too obvious. But now I think it must be after the conversation between Ben and Locke. Who else would Locke know other than Michael - no one else has left the Island - they are all either still there or dead.
Or perhaps it is Walt? (that might be a bigger "shock" to Locke). |
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If either Michael or Walt, I'd imagine Walt would have to be the guy. The others have had enough time with Walt that he's might be allied with them in some ways- whether he was manipulated or he simply accepted responsibility (due to his being "specially" capable) as the only one who could take care of some things that needed to be done.
I'm curious as to what the time distortion effect was at their 325 degree heading. I was expecting them to sail up to the freighter any day now, not knowing that so much time has passed. Maybe that's already happened and we just don't know about it yet. Perhaps Walt's appearance was somehow connected with MacKowski's becoming "confused"... Still too many X-factors to make a real guess... I'm still thinking that even if Walt is Ben's guy, he may be on the boat and not yet the freighter... If his future self time slipped into him when he was going through the field, he might have the knowledge and motivation needed to allow him to "appear" on the freighter. Seems like a stretch though since physical things were changed...
I guess that after all my rambling in dead-end circles, I don't know. My cool story prediction for "Ben's guy" is future Walt time slipped into the present Walt. If so, we might get a cool flashback to them sailing up to the boat just after Faraday and his gang flew to the island. Or maybe a "X days ago" type episode with Walt's flashback to the "testing" time he spent with the others where some light may be shed on Walt's "location" hopping... as well as the groundwork for his being Ben's guy- though I doubt Walt'd see it that way.
Funny though, as convoluded as my thinking is, it just may be too straight forward and obvious for the writers of Lost.
If not Walt, my quasi-random guess will be the doctor... and his introduction episode will be the episode where we see Michael and Walt's arrival at the freighter as well as some groundwork for the Ben/ Sahid "eventual" relationship. |
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I'm absolutely convinced that it's Michael. I think that Lost has backed off of it's "mystery high" that it had in season two with the map--and that's not a bad thing, either. I think that they recognized that the show has two fan bases--the crazies (us), and the weekly fans who tune in each week, enjoy the show, chat about it a bit, then continue with life.
Simply put, I think that the writers and producers realize that they need to feed the crazy fans with bits about giant statues, the Temple, etc... and the normal, loyal fans need to be fed with things like "Christian went to Australia... to see his daughter... Claire!" That way the weekly fans have stuff to figure out as well.
Of course, if I'm wrong, then I'm a poo-head.
But I'm telling you: Michael is on the boat, and he's Ben's man.
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I agree Micheal is on the boat, he's Ben's man and we'll all sit around and pontificate about how great we are and/or how LOST is getting predictable.
Whilst the casual viewers will be sitting in shock because they have not noticed Harold Perrineau in the titles and have no idea what Comic-con is.
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I think you guys have framed the question correctly.
If Michael is revealed to be Ben's man on the boat, then
the writers are placating to the casual viewer.
I'm still holding onto the hope that Ben's cryptic statement,
'You better sit down for this', was directed to us crazies.
I will also be the first to call Matt Lafferty a poo-head. 
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Since the episode that Ben revealed that he had a "man" on the boat, I have believed that it was Michael. However, I am coming around to the idea that it is actually Walt, albeit unknowingly. Walt obviously has some sort of psychic ability. Perhaps Walt is sending messages without knowingly being Ben's accomplice. It would not be a surprise if Michael is the man, but I think it would be a nice curve ball if it was in fact Walt.
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I really hope it's not Michael now...I hope we're not being punished for a higher than average interest in the show...
I want to be shocked like I was the first time I saw Locke in his wheelchair, or when Michael blasted Ana Lucia & Libby, or when we first saw Desmond wake up in the hatch...
I hope we haven't gotten to the point where we already know the big secrets before the story gets to them...
Dammit, I will be disappointed if it's Michael but I know it makes the most sense, and actually presents some cool flashback potential, hell, it makes a whole lot of sense; but I know it's going to disappoint me nonetheless and that disappoints me too. Damn.
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My personal preference would be for Micheal to be on the boat as a crew hand or whatever and not be Ben's man.
But I think Micheal is Ben's man, I can think of no one else who would require Locke to sit down to hear the news. Who else is there ? Walt maybe.
As I said before I think we are suffering by being uber-fans and having way more knowledge than the regualr 'sit down and watch' fans.
Bet my wife, who is a regular watcher, has no idea Micheal is coming back.
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I like Walt!
It seemed to me at first that Walt's appearance to Locke was to thwart Ben's attempt to leave him for dead, but in hind sight it seems the work that Locke had to do was to be Ben's tool.
One of the problems I had with Michael as Ben's man, other than being predictable, is that it doesn't seem to fit. Michael was not in the state of mind to be that pliable, and if Ben had discussed his plans with him in any detail, he probably wouldn't have asked him,'Who are you people?'.
On the other hand, we know Ben took Walt because of his abilities, and put him through extensive 'conditioning'.
This would still support the theory that the bearing he gave Michael (and Walt) was toward the freighter.
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Ok lets assume it is Walt.
Q. How did Ben know where the freighter was ?
My assumption has always been that Micheal gets back to the mainland and then does a Jack and needs to get back so goes in search of a job on the freighter (or stows away). No idea how he finds out about it really but that's not important right now.
I had a theory that Walt is recaptured by the Others on the way and is back on the island and Micheal is now tring to find his way back. Remember Ben did not like the agreement that Bea made to release Walt.
The other option is Micheal learns that Widmore is looking for the island and goes in search of him and offers (for money) to captain a freighter to the island. The Walt being recaptured still works.
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Q. How did Ben know where the freighter was ?
A. As far as I know the Looking Glass was fully operational.
The radio tower was jamming communications but would not effect tracking systems like sonar.
Michael wouldn't have enough time (roughly a month?) to get to the mainland, learn about Widmore, find a spot on the freighter and make it back...but then with the time differential who knows...
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Nice answer. Is that speculation about the sonar or did I miss something ?
So is your theory that Micheal and Walt ran into the freighter and were 'rescued' only to be bought back to the island.
This would assume that Ben not only knew where the freighter was but also what is was doing. Can you tell this from a sonar ? Or was the freighter waiting offshore all this time (ok a few weeks at most).
I would propose that someone else is Bens man and that is how he knew to send Micheal on the bearing. He knew the freighter was coming to the island so sent Micheal to be rescued. However not sure why Locke would need to sit down to be told that "Mr William Jones" (or whatever) is my man on the boat.
All that said I still think Micheal is the man.
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The sonar is pure speculation, but with an under water station...
Ben must have learned about the freighter before he got his man on, weather they were sent from the mainland or the island. He had the tape we just saw with Widmore which was shot some time after Jack was held at the Hydra. There was also a wealth of information sent to the Flame (before it went boom).
You may be right about Michael being the man, but I think the biggest 'you may want to sit down for this' moment would be learning that the instructions coming from Walt were actually coming from him.
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