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Matt Lafferty
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: Do the Oceanic Six Think Everyone Else is Dead? |
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There's an interesting possible conclusion to Sun's grief at the graveyard: that the O6 believe all the other crash survivors are dead. If Sun and Hurley knew (or at least strongly believed) that Jin was alive, they would have chosen another way to "share" Ji Yeon's birth with him; I think perhaps it's a bit analogous to a baby being born while the father is away in the military: it's sad he's not there, and there are hope's he'll see his baby... but you don't go to the family gravestone!
Further, albeit vague, support can come from Jack in the flashforward at the end of season 3: his wanting to go back and regretting having left doesn't include statements about going back FOR people, or regretting leaving them there.
There are two loopholes to my theory: first, Jin might just die the old-fashioned Lost way (Smokey, drowning, shooting, hanging, animal attack, etc) and thus his grave marker is an appropriate place to go and share the bittersweet birth. Second, it'll make for an odd, odd show if the giant portion of the cast made up of survivors is reduced to six.
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Chris in Fort Worth
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Maybe they are led to believe everyone else is dead as you suggest, but once we get to the future where Jack is desperately trying to go back to the island, he has somehow learned that they aren't dead, hence his condition.
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Ummm how about Jin is dead? just plain old dead!
No second meaning! DEAD!
If he was alive, he would be with her-
Not everything on Lost is a major twist...
But as for a twist, who is #6.... |
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Chris in Fort Worth
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Yes, I think you're probably right on this one...it's simply fun to try and outthink the writers sometime.
Theories, dude. Theories.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: The Six |
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O6 are:
Jack (S3 EP22)
Kate (S3 EP22)
Hugo (S4 EP1)
Sayid (S4 EP3)
Aaron (S4 EP4)
Sun (S4 EP7)
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Col
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Nope, can't be Aaron.
The O6 story is directly tied to Jack's cover-up story he tells during Kate's trial. In the story, Kate is able to save 5 other people. Those 5 + Kate is the O6. Aaron wasn't yet born as of that point. |
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| Col wrote: |
Nope, can't be Aaron.
The O6 story is directly tied to Jack's cover-up story he tells during Kate's trial. In the story, Kate is able to save 5 other people. Those 5 + Kate is the O6. Aaron wasn't yet born as of that point. |
I agree with this. This is what I have been saying since Eggtown  |
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Interesting point. That brings us back to coffin guy. And there's no reason that Damon and Carleton wouldn't list the 6th as "coffin guy" and say that he's part of the 6, without us knowing his name yet. That's their style. |
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I'm gonna keep saying till I'm proved otherwise, but Aaron is one of 6. How else do they explain his existence to the world?
Everyone knows the baby exists...the media interest in Kate as "one of the Oceanic 6" would be so feverish that the information, basic information about her life, would be known to all. Aaron, was rescued along with everyone else. Why would he NOT be included?
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DarkUFO reports that his source says the 6th member is .....
Mind you apparently the source was fooled by the Jin Flashback.
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| Chris in Fort Worth wrote: |
| Maybe they are led to believe everyone else is dead as you suggest, but once we get to the future where Jack is desperately trying to go back to the island, he has somehow learned that they aren't dead, hence his condition. |
I think this is the most likely scenario ...
This theory is supported nicely by Abaddon's conversation with Hurley in Santa Rose (circa 2007), asking them "Are they still alive?" ... Unless, of course, Abaddon is not referring to the people left on the Island when posing his question to Hurley.
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My vote is that, based on what Abbadon and Charlie said to Hurley, and some of Jack's behaviour, a whole lot of them are still alive on the island, but possibly to Widmore's boat finding it, they are in more danger than they would otherwise be.
They all seem very sure that whoever's left there needs help. I don't know whether Jack's desire to return is to help people, or whether there's more to it. |
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Matt Lafferty
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| Scott H wrote: |
I'm gonna keep saying till I'm proved otherwise, but Aaron is one of 6. How else do they explain his existence to the world?
Everyone knows the baby exists...the media interest in Kate as "one of the Oceanic 6" would be so feverish that the information, basic information about her life, would be known to all. Aaron, was rescued along with everyone else. Why would he NOT be included? |
I... agree that the media might brand 5 surivors plus a baby the Oceanic 6. That said, my gut tells me that there would have been some throwaway line (similar to Ben's comment about the rabbit last week) to be a little nod to the hardcore fans that OUR search for the 6 is over.
Also, it's worth mentioning that Ben could be the 6th person: granted, we know he didn't crash with the plane, but with all his connections, who knows?
Indeed, considering it could be Aaron OR Ben, I think that makes it all the more possible that it coudl be yet another person! What's more Lost-y than saying "the Oceanic Six"... but having more than six?
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Ben could possibly be one using fake idenity since he had the "power to fake the plane crash" he might have the ability to assume some one else idenity much like Principal Skinner in the simpons.
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Since Sun and Hurley show up to the grave to talk to Jin, I think we can assume that Jin is burried there. If they thought Jin was alive, then I think they would not go out to the gravestone, since that would be wierd. He's dead Jim.
Obviously, Jack and Kate know there are people still living on the island during the we should go back. Hurley read Charlies palm and it said 'they need you' so I think Hurley knows there are people still on the island. |
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Well Jin is supposed to have died in the crash and apparently sticking to the story is really important to the O6 so far.
Also, just because Widmore knows the Sundra Trench isn't the actual crash site, we have no idea what the public knows after the O6 appear.
So Jin's body is most likely is not there. As to why go to a fake burial site? For one it can still be symbolic of the fact that she'll never see Jin again. Also, she most likely will have to raise Ji Yeon with the fake story, at least until she becomes an adult and can keep a secret of that magnitude/understand the situation. So she'll need a place to "visit" her dad as well. |
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Surely Michael is the 6th person |
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