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Tahir
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: The shooter/shooters |
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Was it all planned by Ben and his people shot Danielle and Karl ?
Was it someone from the freighter ? - Remember Lapidis's 'errand'.
Could he have unkowningly dropped a shooter on the island ? I say
unkowningly because I don't think he's a bad guy.
Wacky theory - Mickail ? |
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I can see why they didn't want to give us a massive cliff hanger with this episode, as there would be RIOTS. I think it's safe to assume it's someone from the freighter doing the shooting, and it was just unfortunate that they crossed paths. It was most likely Frank's 'errand' rather than anything planned by Ben. |
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I agree with WeakLemon ... I think it's the Freighties' "Death Squad" (Keamy, Omar, etc.) for the following reasons ...
- Ben's "good guys" speech to Michael
- Keamy's skeet shooting practice with a machine gun
- Lapidus's errand he ran in a previous episode
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: Re: The shooter/shooters |
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| Tahir wrote: |
Was it all planned by Ben and his people shot Danielle and Karl ?
Was it someone from the freighter ? - Remember Lapidis's 'errand'.
Could he have unkowningly dropped a shooter on the island ? I say
unkowningly because I don't think he's a bad guy.
Wacky theory - Mickail ? |
I'm not sure who the shooters might have been, but i am absolutly positive that ben sent them there so ruso and carl would get killed.
EVERYTHING that happens is because ben wants it to. |
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I really don't think it was Ben at all. Why would he was Danielle dead? We have seen that he genuinely cares about Alex and right now she is in a lot of danger, especially because I am convinced it is the dead squad from the freighter. He wouldn't have sent her into that danger...mostly because of what she said at that end. She does not share that same love for Ben that he has for her and I think she would sell him out to save everyone else in a second. |
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Matt Lafferty
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This is how damn manipulative Ben is, that many of us are defending him! I agree, it's probably the commandos (any chance on us calling them the Fromandos? Freighter commandos?  ) Forget Carl and Rousseau, Ben would NEVER send Alex into harm's way.
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I don't know. Alex did betray Ben and she is his adopted daughter. And Ben has serious parenting issues.
He would not be sad to see Karl die - I think he even promised to kill him if he came back at one point. And I think after Danielle captured him and treated him poorly, he might not be too sad to let her get shot.
If Ben does know everything, then he knew Alex would be fine.
Alternately, if he is not infallible, then the 'fromandos' got lucky. |
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Scott H
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I can't bring myself to believe Ben is behind the shooters in this situation. Surely it must be the Lapidus errand with the Fromandos (I'm rolling with it Matt). Ben is in control of a lot of things, but he's not omnipresent – though damn near close.
There's been a lot of repetition of the whole 'Good Guys' stick this year and I'm certain now that Ben really is one of the good guys in the bigger picture. Just because he's a bit of an arsehole doesn't make him one of the baddies.
I wish I could point to some of the moments, but to me its like the writers have been dangling it in front of us for so long now it's like not seeing the wood for the trees. The evidence against Widmore and the freighties is stacking up by the episode.
Faraday and bad actress freightie may be stopping the gas, but that doesn't mean they are in on the loop or any less expendible in the bigger picture.
Is it just me or are there too many threads in the forum?
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i reckon its the others, i mean ben told alex that there was a safe place for HER but not for the other two, they just kinda presumed. Im thinking they killed the other two because like the oceanic survivors , the temples not for them, as ben put it. Theres no way in my opinion that its the freighter crowd, the others have adapted and almost become one with the surroundings of the island, being able to hide themselves even from rousou (who is so adept in the jungle) is a thing only the others could master. If its the freighter folk they're wearing invisible cloaks 
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I'm going with the Freighter-thug option. It would explain Lapidus' odd errand. Though, with saying that, Ben knew of some danger. He said to Alex: "Your mother will protect you." I find it a stretch that the Others would try to kill them like that.
Also, they clearly are bad guys, given their bad shooting. Good guys make every shot count. Bad guys always shoot a lot...
Rousseau dead?...Crap...I wanted to see her backstory....Oh well.
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Ben gets me every time . . . I always "sort of" believe him - so I too can't believe that he would want Alex to be hurt - I also think that he would want Danielle alive to protect her. (I hope I am not proved wrong later . . .) Damn! That Michael Emerson is good! |
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I was watching Looking glass finale and Ben was making what looks like the same map when he 1st took Alex with him to the radio tower.
Thats when he gave the I dont want you to get pregnant speech.
If the freight people were responsible-wouldnt they have attacked the beach 1st?
I think Ben was planning this |
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Having your daughter's boyfriend and her mother murdered in front of her own eyes is pretty damn hardcore. Not saying that is beyond Ben (he did look into his own father's eyes as he took his last breath of that gas he killed him with), however, I don't really think it would achieve what he would like. I'm pretty certain it would only alienate Alex from him for life, seeing as he's already on thin ice with her. Widmore's people would love to have Ben's daughter as a bargaining chip (and that's what was implied with how Alex identified herself at the end...although misdirection is always possible too). |
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J Wood brought up a good point in his blog ... "What about the bullet sounds?"
Didn't they sound like the guns had silencers on them? Does anyone have a screencap of Keamy skeet shooting earlier in the ep? Does his gun have a silencer on it?
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The silencer leads me to believe Freighties. I can't recall either the Losties or the others having guns with silencers of them.
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I hope the island wants Rousseau alive still and does a locke style ressurection on her ass. sticking with the theory that its the islanders that shot at them and not the freighties, then i think rousseau will re-awaken and track down alex (who i presume will be brought to the temple, against her will) and kill anyone in her path.
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The LOSTcasters mentioned something about Jorge Garcia dropping a hint to the introduction of a new (3rd) group on the Island, to be introduced in this ep ...
What if Karl & Danielle were shot by this group, not the Others or Freighties ... My wild speculation would be that they are the remnants of the DHARMA initiative (ala the Jedi in the "Dark Times"). They have been hiding & surviving on the Island in secret, since the Purge ... Maybe this is the reason for the food drop back in S2 ... Maybe they are the whispers, hiding in the shadows & simply watching the Losties on the Island, until the arrival of reinforcements to battle Ben.
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I both like and dislike that theory ebonX.
Why I like it is because there's a good probability that Annie is part
of that group.I SO think we are not done with Annie yet.
However a little part of me is saying "PLEASE - not another group
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I am actually thinking now that Ben is responsible for the shooting, but it is the "Fromandoes" who actually shoot Karl & Danielle ...
Similar to Goodwin, I'm thinking that Ben made the map to place them in the "line of fire" of the Freightie deathsquad ... Hence, Ben's conscious is clean because he did not give a direct order to kill anyone. He simply directed Karl, Danielle, & Alex to some area where he knew the "Fromandoes" would be.
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So it was Keamy & Co. who killed Karl & Danielle ... What are we calling them?
"Freightie Deathsquad" (FDS for short) or "Fromandoes"? Any better names out there?
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Going with the title, hows about The Frooters 
Ok....just kidding. |
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| Tahir wrote: |
Going with the title, hows about The Frooters
Ok....just kidding. |
I didn't know there was a Hooters on the Freighter?!? ...
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