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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: General Episode Discussion |
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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I liked the episode lots to discuss but the one thing I'll say on the negative is that there was no drama about Jack and his appendix. Clearly he is going to live so what purpose did this serve ? Just to get Juliet and Kate together.
Rest of the epi was great though it was obvious Charlotte spoke Korean.
Where's Claire ? Figure she's gone for the season hence Kate and Aaron.
Jacob as Christian can get out of the cabin and steal babies or was that Smokey or even dare I say it really Christian.
I think Jack knows Aaron is his nephew. The whole "He's not even related to you" to Kate impled to me he knows he is.
And Sawyer chose to stay.
Hurely was great.
Jack on the slide ..... sad. He was so happy with the nearly Mrs. Shepard and Aaron and he's going to throw it all away.
And what did Sawyer ask Kate to do .... visist his daughter and her mother ?
Jin was hard as nails, he would have broken Daniels fingers and Charlotte knew it. Seems his motives are simple. I'm now sure he's alive on the island.
And so to bed ....
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good stuff...the first twenty minutes were well paced and had me more excited than I ended up being for the episode overall.
the hurley/jack scene was perfectly creepy...does Hurley really believe they are dead? What does this mean? And is Christian the visitor Charlie was referring to in his message to Jack?
I was a little disappointed we didn't get an actual scene with Christian/Jack...but that's just because I'm greedy and spoiled by the pace of the show, this season in particular.
soooo...last week we got some, well, nice shots of Kate's exposed back and now, um, some very nice shots of her lower backside area. Just thought it was worth mentioning.
I enjoy Sawyer being a badass as a good guy (Han Solo).
Jack doesn't take long to go from grateful family guy to super jealous, pill popping, dark suit wearing stalker guy in the shadows.
Whatever it is that explains Hurley's condition and informs the rapid descent of Jack seems very different than the off-island story of Sayid.
I think the surgery scene was used to show Jack's controlling nature and inform us of the fallout between the Jack/Kate/Juliet arc.
Claire is gone. We won't see her until next season, if that. My bold prediction based on nothing.
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A good story telling episode.
I liked the smoke alarm bit - just before Jack saw his father - Smokey ???
I was kinda waiting for something BIG to happen, it didn't but I liked
the pace of this episode AND we got to see a lot of our beechies.Nice
to see Rose again.
Claire dissapearing - thats a weird one.I have no explanation as to
whats going on there.
Also the thing Kate had to do for Sawyer - I'm guessing its something
to do with Clementine. |
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: a few thoughts |
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I posted this on the LOSTcasts site. Then thought the conversation might be more stimulating over here.
Someone had mentioned that they noticed that Jack heard the smoke detector beeping and that drew his attention to the lobby where his dad was. Could this be a connection to Smokey? I think so.
Re: Sawyer's request
It is possible that Sawyer asked Kate to make sure that his daughter is being taken care of. If Kate is living in such nice place can we speculate that there has been some sort of settlement by Oceanic? Perhaps Kate is giving financial help to Sawyer's baby mamma.
Re: Miles and Lapidus
I am liking Miles more and more. Is is a smart ass and his "gift" is becoming more clear to us. In the first episode featuring him, I thought maybe he was a con-artist. But it is becoming more apparent that he has some gift of sensing/seeing what is beyond the physical realm. I am sure there is more to his story.
As for Frank Lapidus, I think we are being set up to view him as a very sympathetic character along the lines of Daniel. However, I have a hunch that when push comes to shove, he will save his own butt instead of helping some of our LOSTies.
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I can't say i was that impressed by this weeks episode, but man i am looking forward to next weeks.
Now more than every i suspect locke has 4 toes. |
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Chris
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: Re: a few thoughts |
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| Mike in the Box wrote: |
I posted this on the LOSTcasts site. Then thought the conversation might be more stimulating over here.
Someone had mentioned that they noticed that Jack heard the smoke detector beeping and that drew his attention to the lobby where his dad was. Could this be a connection to Smokey? I think so.
Re: Sawyer's request
It is possible that Sawyer asked Kate to make sure that his daughter is being taken care of. If Kate is living in such nice place can we speculate that there has been some sort of settlement by Oceanic? Perhaps Kate is giving financial help to Sawyer's baby mamma.
Re: Miles and Lapidus
I am liking Miles more and more. Is is a smart ass and his "gift" is becoming more clear to us. In the first episode featuring him, I thought maybe he was a con-artist. But it is becoming more apparent that he has some gift of sensing/seeing what is beyond the physical realm. I am sure there is more to his story.
As for Frank Lapidus, I think we are being set up to view him as a very sympathetic character along the lines of Daniel. However, I have a hunch that when push comes to shove, he will save his own butt instead of helping some of our LOSTies. |
The beep the smoke detector was making was from a dead battery not from detecting smoke. I initially thought the same thing though. |
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@ Chris.
I realized that. The point is that it was a subtle nod to Smokey. IF it had been going off, it would have been gratuitously obvious. The point of the beeping alarm was to get Jack into the lobby. And who was waiting for him in the lobby? Possibly Smokey.
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I am beginning to think that jacks dad and Charlie aren't smoky. If jack's dad was smoky wouldn't the woman have seen smoke where jacks dad was. wouldn't people around Hurley see smoke next to him when he and Charlie talk on the bench?
I think that is actually them in some sense.
It might be that though the six are off the island the fact they were on it means i some sense they still are, as it is in a temporal shift of sorts. This might allow them to see and communicate with individual that have also been on it at some point. |
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I wouldn't have said the smoke detector was a subtle nod to Smokey, i kinda took it to be a direct nod to Smokey. The question is whether or not the writers are just having a bit of fun or if it was meant to be the first outright hint that Smokey is in some way connected to the manifestations we've seen since the beginning of the show and long debated whether or not smokey was in some way responsible for.
There's the usual number of Jack naysayers again with this episode, though I've come to expect that to be honest. Little surprised by how harsh Alan Sepinwall was on his blog (http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2008/05/lost-something-nice-back-home-sister.html). So far as the appendix went, I saw it as having several narrative purposes, gave an excuse for getting Daniel and annoying red head off with Jin and Sun, Korean language reveal, which set up Sun getting off the island. Faraday fancies red head too.
On top of that we see how important Jack's role is as a leader to the people on the island, even if half the fans can't stand him. I mean, do you think Rose and Bernie are gonna lead anyone off the island? I doubt it.
Obviously there was the Kate/Juliet/Jack stuff too, and I can't help but feel this was the first move in sidelining Juliet toward the end of the season, but I also think that Jack is going to be recovering from surgery for at least the next episode and I'm sure this will also have narrative impact on his actions going forward to getting off the island and leaving a bunch of people behind.
I think this was a strong episode with some really interesting reveals and some strong performances – Jorge continues to be the Ace in the Lost pocket.
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I like that description. I am getting kind of sick of her as well. She has one look and thats constipated. |
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@ Mike and Chris
It didn't occur to me while watching, but now that it's been mentioned it clearly is a nod to Smokey. The fact that the alarm or alert was not a detection of smoke may be an overt clue that this Christian Sheppard is not the smoke monster.
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Mike in the Box,
I'm going "all in" with your theory that the smoke detector was a cute and subtle nod to a whole tip of a big iceberg! Given Claire's interaction with Christan, AND the fact that Miles saw it, we clearly are presented with hard evidence that Christian (or "Christian") was there. (Jack seeing him in the lobby could have been assumed to be a halucination (though, don't forget, he saw his dad on the island in the first season).)
Given that Christian really is there, the question of the episode is "Ghost or Smoke?" Though Miles is billed as a ghostbuster, I'm not going the route that the show has ghosts; it'll end up a slightly more sci-fi answer. The smoke answer, supported by your point that the smoke detector might be detecting island smoke, allows for just that.
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A little late to the party with my reactions but nonetheless;
Solid episode, was bound to be a little let down after on of the most action\answer filled episode in series history last week.
The Jack\Kate flash forward back story was on the surface little more then fodder to me. But of course it's Lost the writers were able to weave in the beginning of Jack's unraveling along with the most exciting element of the episode Christian Shepard.
Jack's Dad has been a major component of the overall storyline since literally episode one. I have in the past speculated that he is the most significant character in the show and though I'm not as convinced of that as I once was, I still see him playing a major role before all is said and done.
Claire's disappearance is very puzzling
What we know:
She left with (what appeared to be) Christian Shepard
She recognized him as her Dad
Miles was able to see Christian Shepard
What we don't know:
Was she cognizant or was she in some sort of trance?
Does she know her Dad as Christian Shepard and if so why has she not made the connection with Jack?
Why did she leave Aaron?
Does Miles know it wasn't Christian Shepard and\or that it was a ghost\apparition\smokey etc. ?
My guess is Claire was in some sort of hypnotized state\trance by who\whatever made Christian Shepard's likeness appear. I am thinking much more Jacob related then Smokey.
I see Smokey as an Island only thing; sort of the Pluto to Jacob's Mickey. A watch dog for the Island which is the property\home of Jacob.
Thought the Beach stuff was boring as usual but had a purpose and was well executed. We fill in some holes as to the Sun\Jin post-Island dynamic and end the Juliet\Kate\Jack triangle of nonsense.
Two major lines in this episode for me:
Rose talking about how people get better on the Island not get sick &
Jack saying Sawyer choose to stay.
The first is self explanatory and I love that they use her to reinforce this point. The second speaks more to the set-up of this season's finale when we find out why some stayed, six went and who survives.
Bold Prediction: Next week's episode will be the best ever.
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:59 am Post subject: appendicitis=loss of control? |
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I posted this elsewhere but thought it might spur on some conversation here.
Just wanted to comment about Jack's appendicitis.
Some fans are saying that this particular subplot was irrelevant. However, as many others have seen over the past seasons, the happenings of the flash(forwards or backs)tend to directly parallel or juxtapose the scenario of that character while on the island.
On the island, Jack's medical issue starts to hurt his ability to lead. He displays trust issues (not wanted to be knocked out and wanting to oversee the surgery), and we see that his self-imposed burden of getting everyone off of the island is quickly unraveling.
These events all parallel the flash-forward. Just when he seems happy and has it "together," he catches Kate on the phone and after a very creepy meeting with Hurley Jack sees his father. Not only does he develop trust issues with Kate, but he starts abusing medication and alcohol. He starts to unravel and lose control.
I am interested in this week's episode as I love learning more about Jacob, DHARMA, and John Locke. Hopefully we will see more direct parallels and juxtapositions.
Stay Lost.
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