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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: General Discussion |
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Post your thoughts after watching this week's episode. Have fun, stay LOST. |
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Chris in Fort Worth
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Well, we didn't really get the birds-eye view of the island I thought we were going to get.
Other than that, brilliant.
Again, the dialogue was written with great humor and wit.
Now we know Ben does leave the island, at least in the future. And his stockpile of passports and luggage suggest he makes regular trips off the island.
Why in the hell is Sayid working for Ben?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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I guess Sayid is about to make an error in judgment and somehow Ben will use this to his advantage. I wonder if Ben will be forced to leave the Island...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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This makes 2 times Sayid has been caught trying to sneak around the barracks.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Slow on the island front (no, really, at least 31 minutes slower). But Sayid becoming Ben's hired gun ... didn't see that coming (although cleverly foreshadowed during Ben/Sayid's on-island chat).
"The first time I trust you, I will have sold my soul ... "
Solid episode, though not quite as good as the first two, IMO, despite the very intriguing flash-forward.
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Some good stuff:
1. The rocket that was shot from the ship to the island was off by approx 31 mins.... Time travel here we come?
2. Why were the times different? Is the outside world still moving through time but the island is "time-locked".
3. Oceanic 6: 3 confirmed = Hurley, Jack & Sayid. 3 I think will be Sun (so she doesn't die giving birth on the island....she publicly needs to get off the island.), Claire & Aaron, since Desmond saw them getting on the helicopter to be saved.
4. Whatever happened to the fact that Jack's dad is also Claire's dad? When are the bro and sis gonna get together on that info? Claire is holding the wonder child, and it would make sense for them to both get off the island.
5. People had said that the pilot was "supposed" to be on Oceanic 815, but he was not and that it could be because he was a "good" pilot and they wanted the plane to crash. I disagree. I think since he is an alcoholic, he may have been too drunk to fly 815 that day. Now he's going back and that is his connection.
6. How many woman is Sayid gonna kill?
Please comment back.........
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Good episode.
Started of slowly but then picked up well.
I'm confused about the bracelet.I initially thought Sayid took Naomi's bracelet and at some point gave it to Elsa - but no, because of the writing on the inside.So....Elsa worked for the same person as Naomi ???
It clicked about halfway into Sayid's and Hurley's conversation that it was a trap - good one.
Hurley's line "Awesome, the ship sent us another Sawyer" - class.
I'm liking Daniel and Lapidus even more now.
Its like musical bloody chairs with whats going on with who is in whose group now.
What the hell is going on with the 2 clocks god only knows.
And Bens a vet. eh ?
Overall I liked this episode - a bit of everthing going on. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: |
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I'm loving these flash forwards, it adds a powerful new dynamic to the show.
I think the vet hospital was just a quick, inconspicuous way for Ben to fix Sayid.
It was also a way for the writers to show that he’s using Sayid as a pawn or ‘pet’,
enhanced by the scene with him walking past the dogs in cages.
Sayid’s line that the moment he trusts Ben is the moment he loses his soul,
would indicate that there is more to this particular plot thread.
It looks like these flash forwards are building up to a great end game.
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i think the hatches purpose perhaps was to keep the island off sync with the world time sync, and how when the hatch is gone... the island time moight catch up to real time makeing the island visible again. The mere fact that they have to fly through a specific heading, witch i suppose the oceanic 815 plane crashed through to leave/enter the island 'time zone' suggest that the frieghters knew about the island and knew how to enter it, and somehow much be dharma connected... well.. must or must... i been way off before...
Ben is a doctor now ? Good twin ?
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My thoughts have changed after watching through a second time, this was a good episode with many new things to consider. Also some evidence for time travel :S
I'm still a bit confused about the time difference. It should of taken about 30 secs to reach the beacon but in actual fact it took 3 hours and 16 minutes. Record of time on the island was 2 hours and 45 minutes, with a difference of 31 minutes. How faster is time off the island compared to on the island. IS it 1 second to every minute? I'm confuzzled.
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| Sylarx2 wrote: |
My thoughts have changed after watching through a second time, this was a good episode with many new things to consider. Also some evidence for time travel :S
I'm still a bit confused about the time difference. It should of taken about 30 secs to reach the beacon but in actual fact it took 3 hours and 16 minutes. Record of time on the island was 2 hours and 45 minutes, with a difference of 31 minutes. How faster is time off the island compared to on the island. IS it 1 second to every minute? I'm confuzzled. |
Just doing some quick math here the ratio of island time to real time would be about 9900 seconds of island time to 11760 seconds of real world time which would mean a ratio of approx .84. That would mean that for every 60 seconds that pass in the real world about 50.5 seconds pass on the island.
The only variable I'm not quite sure what to do with yet is the difference in time between when the rocket should have got there according to their instruments and the actual amount of time it took. If time travel is involved all our math goes out the window b/c we don't know what the time travel variable in time is, but if it's just a matter of instruments reading distance improperly b/c of a electromagnetic disturbance we could figure out the distance the ship is from the island if we knew the rocket speed. |
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So, on the time issue.
I would like to know how that is related to the importance of following the correct bearing/heading on and off the island. It was only after Daniel discovered the time lapse issue that he gave Lapidus a very serious sounding warning about following the exact same bearing/heading when he returns. Any thoughts???
Also, from the episode last night, it seems that the only problem with island air travel is coming to the island, the chopper didn't seem to have any problem leaving. Curious...
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So, on the time issue.
I would like to know how that is related to the importance of following the correct bearing/heading on and off the island. It was only after Daniel discovered the time lapse issue that he gave Lapidus a very serious sounding warning about following the exact same bearing/heading when he returns. Any thoughts???
Also, from the episode last night, it seems that the only problem with island air travel is coming to the island, the chopper didn't seem to have any problem leaving. Curious... |
I think it must have something to do with where the island is. Maybe that specific bearing that the helicopter and apparently Michael and Walt used is the only way in which you don't get stuck in what ever the rocket sent from the boat got stuck in. |
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I'm not sure if this matters but Miles and Reginas coversation was in real time.In fact all the communication with the phone has been in real time.
Good luck Lostcast podcasters trying to explain this whole time thing.
I don't mind admitting this is hard to figure out and confusing for me. |
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As for the time travel and the numbers having to be input every 108 minutes, this might help to explain why none of the Others (except for Ben) never seem to age. Remember the man that Ben met in the woods as a child looks the same today. |
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My thoughts have changed after watching through a second time, this was a good episode with many new things to consider. Also some evidence for time travel :S
I'm still a bit confused about the time difference. It should of taken about 30 secs to reach the beacon but in actual fact it took 3 hours and 16 minutes. Record of time on the island was 2 hours and 45 minutes, with a difference of 31 minutes. How faster is time off the island compared to on the island. IS it 1 second to every minute? I'm confuzzled. |
Just to clarify, on-Island, it took ~31min for the rocket to reach the beacon, when in actuality, it should of taken ~30sec.
Now, this leads to the idea that time on-Island is either (A) Slowed Down (in relation to "real world" time) - 1sec of time On-Island = 1min of time Off-Island or (B) Time-shift - meaning space-time On-Island occurs at the same rate, but exists 30min behind the "real world" ... So I guess it comes down to the ol' Time Travel vs. Parallel/Alternate Reality argument.
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Could Ben's "Man on the Freighter" end up being Sayid?!?! That would be such a Ben move ...
The only evidence we have of Ben's spy is Charlotte's bio ... But if Abaddon is somehow linked to Ben & the Others/Natives, and not Paik/Widmore/Maxwell or DHARMA, then he could have known about the FF prior to the destruction of the Flame Station (Enter-77).
My crazy theory right now is that Ben sent Abaddon off-Island (after the Swan station implosion, but prior to the Flame station blowing-up) to make sure that the FF (Faraday, Miles, Charlotte, & Lapidus) were picked to be the team to re-discover the Island. |
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Im a first timer, love the Podcasts
Is it me but is Regina, the woman on the phone, the same voice as Noami? I think Noami is Regina and Regina is "RG". Regina starts to speak on the phone when Noami died on the island. THis goes back to parralell Universe Theory. Is RG another version of her? When Noami is on the stretcher dead, Miles doesnt want her on the helicopter, he say's. "Thats not Naomi its a piece of meat" He doesnt care because theres another version of her |
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Just wanted to point out, the 31 minutes was the difference between the two clocks, not necessarily a measure of how long it took the rocket to arrive.
If they were timers, it indicates it took 2 hours 45 to arrive by island time, 3 hours 16 by freighter time. As I say, 31 minutes is the difference between those two times. |
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Hi Folks,
Here are a few thoughts:
1. Sayid is way to observant to not notice Elsa's bracelet looks just like Naomi's.
2. Dean Moriarity is the name of the main character (patterned after Neil Cassady) in Jack Kerouac's "On the Road." It was just a cool allusion to Ben's traveling man room.
3. I think the Freightys are sent from Widmore (the current incarnation of Hanso/Dharma) to wipe out Ben and anyone who helped perpetrate the purge. The real Henry Gale flew in to the island with a balloon made by Widmore, so I think they have been trying to scout our island inhabitants for a while.
4. The Freightys needed to study the 815 passenger manifests so that they would know who was one of the "hostiles" so they could be killed along with Ben, and who was an 815 survivor.
That's it for now...
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why would they need a manifest to begin with, and even more why study it when they were told "There ARE NO survivors of flight 815"
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject: There ARE NO Survivors of Flight 815... |
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When I hear that quote and see the all caps of "ARE NO" survivors of flight 815, I think they were trying to tell the freighties that "there are not supposed to be any survivors of 815 and if there are any, get rid of them. Your mission is to go in a get Ben. Flight 815 crashed. We want to get Ben and get re-established on the island. We don't want these damn survivors messing things up by bringing attention or media attention to this island or the area surrounding the island."
I think that one "flash-back" of seeing the plane of TV with cockpit underwater and fully intact was actually a "flash-forward". I think that the freighties are going to get Ben and also plan any evidence (i.e. fake plane and bodies) that Flight 815 crashed, everyone drowned, there are no survivors. As far as the outside world is concerned, there is no island. They can't see it.
I'm not sure how this "fake plane" stuff could have been a flashback? Who would have planted a fake plane there in the past?
Good stuff. Keep it coming!
And thanks much to the person who set-up this board! Much better than the old web-site format!
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Yes, I agree that Abadon's (sp?) comment to Naomi was an instruction rather than providing her with information. He wanted to tell her clearly that as far as the world was concerned there should be no survivors of 815 (wink, wink).
The fake plane crash was staged to confirm this.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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oh i c, makes sence...
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Once again a good epi, but a mid point chapter that is vital for the future epis. I found Sayid's mood for doing the job right sad. If he left the island, when did he turn to the Ben's side?
I feel as though I drank weak coolade with this one. the issue of Kate and Jack, sayid hiding why she didnt return. the issue of miles being left behind all because he is pain in the helicopter.
so my question is... DID sayid kill the man that jack saw in the paper? and if so, what connection did he have that only jack knew?
something tells me it was sayid, and jack knew that.
just some after thoughts. |
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