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Matt Jones
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: Confirmed Dead |
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Tahir
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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A great episode.
One thing, whilst we learn quite a bit about Miles, Charlotte and Lapidus, we get very little on Daniel - just a bit of him crying at the beginiing.
I'm wondering wether he knew someone 815 and the writers don't want to give to much away at this point.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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In Confirmed Dead, when Miles is in the woman's house we all noticed the pictures of the boy on the wall. When Miles is leaving, the pictures are shown again - but this time they are slightly different. The frames have changed, as well as some of the surrounding pictures. Continuity error, or an easter egg? Here are the screencaps:
Is Miles a timeshifter? Can he course correct? Am I reading too much into this?  |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Jeff Fahey looks like The Dude (Labowski). |
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Matt Jones
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Nice catch Jane. No idea what that could mean.
Loopena,
Well that's just...like...you know...your opinion man.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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It's definitely not a continuity error. For one, they don't make errors this big and two, the camera pans across them as if to show that it has some importance.
I think it this is evidence for Alternative Timeline/Time travelling theory. There is a very well written piece here by a man called Jason Hunter. It basically says that the Dharma found a way to travel back in time and in order to continue their studies they set up their base on a remote island and every 108 minutes they would go back in time/restart the time loop so the island has no physical connection with the outside world. They then convinced someone that they would be saving the world if they entered the special code every 108 minutes so they could carry on their study carefree. There is a large amount of evidence to support this theory all which are show on the website and I found it a very good read.
As for the changing frames, I think it possible has something to do with when the number did not get entered and the failsafe key had to be used by Desmond. This would then end the time loop and the island would somehow physically connect/join the two timelines together. This can also explained by when the TV goes all fuzzy when Frank Lapidus is watching the news about the plane being found on the sea bed because that was the exact time that Desmond turned the failsafe key.
But who know's eh? |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Yes! Watch for him to be sipping on White Russians in any flashbacks/forwards.
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Chris in Fort Worth
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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That would be a nifty way for the writers to explain any and all changes/errors. Very interesting. How cool would it be for the final several episodes to 'flashback' across all major story lines and tie all together from an omnipotent pov?
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: Cross-Marketing in LOST |
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I saw some of the previous commenters note the Fantastic Four & Chronicles of Narnia references in this episode, but was surprised that nobody mentioned the intelligent cross-marketing aspect of this references ...
Fantastic Four - The Find815 ARG had a lot of crossover with Marvel titles prior to the start of S4, so I can only presume this is the TPTB's form of crossover on their show.
http://find815.blogspot.com/2008/01/marvel-comics-and-lost-crossover_27.html
Chronicles of Narnia - C.S. Lewis & Prince Caspian references ... This seems to be a very clever way to promote the upcoming movie, since the Chronicles of Narnia movies are being made by Disney (which is the same company that produces LOST ... ABC/Disney)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499448/ |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: Is that Eko? |
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In J. Wood's blog he has a good side-by-side comparison of Eko as a child ...
I think it looks pretty damn close! It would link Miles to the Island. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: Alternate take on the Polar Bear Skeleton |
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It may be less interesting than Time shifting & Portal theories being put forward elsewhere, but do you think it is possible the Polar Bear skeleton was a fake planted by Dharma to get Charlotte just interested enough so she would agree to go to the Island as a new recruit? |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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If this is a prop error it's really a strange one. But it would also be a strange clue... Will it fit with the timeline that the plane wreckage is found on the same day (the day of Miles' flashback) that Des turns the failsafe?
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Alternate take on the Polar Bear Skeleton |
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| blueshadesolo wrote: |
| It may be less interesting than Time shifting & Portal theories being put forward elsewhere, but do you think it is possible the Polar Bear skeleton was a fake planted by Dharma to get Charlotte just interested enough so she would agree to go to the Island as a new recruit? |
That's a good point. I do belive that all the people selected to go to the island were selected for a specific reason. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Is Frank also lured to the mission - by a fake TV broadcast? Remember, he had to "adjust" it right before it showed Seth (the pilot).
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: dissappointed |
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Im thouroughly dissappointed in this forum |
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Give it time brother, there's good thoughts circulating...how about contributing something besides criticism, or at least offer some ideas on how to improve whatever it is that bothers you.
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I'm not convinced that Michael is Ben's man on the boat. I do however think that Walt could very well be. At the end of season 3 Walt instructs Locke to get up as he has work to do. This work involves knifing Naomi to prevent the Freighties getting on the island (something Ben also wants). I can't see where Michael's motivation to help Ben would come from. Walt's motivation may be revealed as something that was done to him during his time with the Others in S2. One of the recent mobisodes indicates that the Others experimented on him so could be a mix of the brainwashing that Karl received and physical projection means Walt is helping Ben to help the island. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Here's another thing that seemed a bit odd from this episode.
I caught this from the first viewing and thought nothing about it but
on 2nd viewing it just seems there's something weird about this
sentence...
Bens' line "These peope are a threat, and if you shoot me you'll
never know what a threat they WERE"
Shouldn't it be "....what a threat they ARE".
The first sentence is in the PAST tense - deliberate ? |
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tahir, I noticed that too...perhaps if Ben is killed by Locke the threat is gone? I can't come up with much more beyond that...just a thought.
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just a couple of thoughts...
when charlotte is at the dig she pretty much goes straight to the area where the dhrama logo is and smiles when she finds it. so she knew what she ws looking for... is this common knowledge n i'm just bin slow? dont think i've heard anyone point this out
also think the conversation miles has with Regina on the phone asking for minkowski is odd.
shudn't she sound more worried rather than just brush miles off? wouldn't the new guys be 1st priority to regina or minkowski and the rest of the freighter? |
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<<Bens' line "These people are a threat, and if you shoot me you'll
never know what a threat they WERE"
Shouldn't it be "....what a threat they ARE".>>
I found that very strange too. Mind you I always do |
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Here's my reasoning as to why I think that Michael/Walt is Ben's man on the boat.
Ben sends Michael on those coordinates. They hook up with the freighter and are brought on board. This would explain why none of them were surprised to find the surviors yet Naomi was told there were no survivors. Michael tells them about what he knows including Desmond. Namoi's people then get her a copy of the picture. Walt doesn't trust them and communicates with Ben through a computer the same way he did with Michael in the hatch. All Walt needs to do is give Ben the names of the people on board. He can clearly get their files and know everything about them.
There is my logic to thinking it's Michael/Walt.
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| Fangirl wrote: |
Here's my reasoning as to why I think that Michael/Walt is Ben's man on the boat.
Ben sends Michael on those coordinates. They hook up with the freighter and are brought on board. This would explain why none of them were surprised to find the surviors yet Naomi was told there were no survivors. Michael tells them about what he knows including Desmond. Namoi's people then get her a copy of the picture. Walt doesn't trust them and communicates with Ben through a computer the same way he did with Michael in the hatch. All Walt needs to do is give Ben the names of the people on board. He can clearly get their files and know everything about them.
There is my logic to thinking it's Michael/Walt. |
I like most of what you are saying.
But surely if the people on the boat, apart from his inside man, were out to get Ben then wouldn't he be trying to avoid all contact with them to avoid any chance that they would be able to find the island and get to him? |
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Ben wouldn't have known that until Michael would have gotten there. Maybe that's why he wanted Locke to explode the hatch. He may have thought he wanted contact with the freighter, but not total contact which is why he kept the looking glass still jamming. He sends Michael out there and then finds out that they are there to capture him.
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| Fangirl wrote: |
| Ben wouldn't have known that until Michael would have gotten there. Maybe that's why he wanted Locke to explode the hatch. He may have thought he wanted contact with the freighter, but not total contact which is why he kept the looking glass still jamming. He sends Michael out there and then finds out that they are there to capture him. |
Good point, I didn't think of that.
Ben does say that they are part of a group of people who have been trying to find the island, but he doesn't say how long he has know about them.
I think that because we know Michael is coming back into this season that this could be the main reason behind why he will return.
But I doubt it will be as easy as it sounds, there fill definitely be some crazy plot twist.  |
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