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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:31 pm Post subject: Seaon Five so far |
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An excellent start to the season.
Last night's episode "Jughead" a little disappointing in terms of the ending (so typically abrupt and unsatisfying) I suppose but overall some real good TV with some major clues and reveals.
#1 Widmore is funding everything Faraday does. This is interesting, at first I thought Faraday had tricked Widmore to become part of that expedition, now it seems possible that Faraday is a threat to the Losties? Not sure yet. But it seems like Widmore wants to harness this time travel thing as bad as Marvin Candle. Funding Faraday's research and the care of the "subject" no unstuck in time permanently.
#2 Widmore himself was an Other. Not the angle I saw coming. Always had him pegged as a Dharma Man. So now it seems likely that Ben somehow got Charles removed from the Island and this is likely the original cause of their feud. Also this explains Widmore's "nightmares" he describes to Ben since Ben moved the Island. Seems like new memories forming from his days on the Island.
#3 Richard Alpert confirmed ageless (or extreme decelerated aging)on the Island. As far as him giving the compass to Locke, I'm stumped, seemed like the Jacob name drop was the key to Richard's heart. However it's clear that Alpert already having the memory of not recognizing John the first time they met (1954 two years before John's birth) has left a message in the compass that 1954 Alpert can not find until time-traveling John has moved on. My greater Richard Alpert theory is that he is one of the Island's assigned protectors and though he too is subject to the laws of time is more evolved in terms of understanding them and living within them seemlessly and without the terror or confusion most of the losties are experiencing.
#4 Elly - This one looks big. She could be Dan's Mom, she could be Ms. Hawking, she could be both. Dan's lab rat was named Eloise. Dan recognizes her but she doesn't recognize him at all. There would need to be a reason for the name being the same as the rat, us not hearing Daniel's mom's name and that entire scene with a character like her, who we will not see again most likely. One thing making it seem unlikely she is Desmond's Mom is her allegiance to Ben or perhaps rather Ben's being subordinate to her. With Widmore\Faraday aligned it seems unlikely he'd seen Desmond to seek the Ben Linus\Hawking alliance. Almost sure of the Mom thing.
#5 They're not done moving. We still have not seen them in the Dharma led time when Daniel finds his way into the Orchid during construction. It also seems possible that he successfully started moving his own mind through time quite a while ago. This explains the sort of memory loss and him saying it's not his first time on the Island etc. He also understands that he can not change time, but Desmond can and though he doesn't fully understand it, he knows enough to employ Desmond's help whenever possible.
A few other things I'm sure others have said but I am really thinking now
The Island started moving or was already moving when Rousseau's crew crashed there; this explains the sickness that eventually befell her crew.
The Island moved when the Black Rock crashed and that's why it's in the middle of the Jungle.
In season one when Locke and Boone find the plane and Locke's leg goes numb. It is Locke being shot by Ethan on a different time line intersecting for a moment. Time moves on several planes on the Island all at once. This is also the rough explanation for the Whispers.
The show is great. I love how they still have me guessing on things as simple as who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.
It really presents the characters and issues as things are in reality. By showing the different sides of each character and there motivations for actions, without seeing the whole picture it's impossible to decide what's right or wrong, good or evil... |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject: Radz is back -- with nothing to say |
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Jackie. If all your posts are going to be this thorough and this spot-on, there's going to be nothing else for anyone to say. Believe it or not, I have nothing to add.
(This may or may not remain true as things come to me)
Great post. Great season so far. Great to see you again in this virtual space.
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There's not a lot of us. Chris in Fort Worth and Scott in Philly are around. Mike in the Box Mark B, Joop all of them stopped by over the summer. Hope the whole gang gets back together before much longer. Check out the comments section too, it seems to be cleared up a bit.
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You called Jackedup? I'm not sure what to say, my mind is somewhat blown by the double whammy return of both Lost and BSG.
Some great observations there Jackie, I especially like the one about the whispers – not something I had even thought about.
Questions remain about the contradictory status of Dan Faraday. If his mother was the other Ellie, but he was working for Dharma via Widmore.... how does this reconcile?
Is John really dead?
I'm not sold on the idea that the sickness was the island moving, however, I suppose if the serum Claire and the baby were injecting for a while is what the others take to keep them tied to the island it might make sense. Would take a heck of an explanation though.
3 years have passed off island to Ben recruiting the Losties to go back – back how much time will have passed on the island? Any at all?
Just a few brief thoughts...
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I need another look at all three episodes having watched them once over the last weekend (badly planned vacation) I have little to add to what has gone before other than the following:
1. Charlotte has said she is from the island. I seem to recall she said (or was it Miles said) was born there but who are her parents ? My guess is Annie and Ben. Annie left or was sent away with Charlotte (maybe she was conceived on the island but born off island as Ben had already caused the pregnancy issues) and the story Ben gave when he "outed' her about being a child of a British couple is a cover story that maybe she told the other Freightees. Ben may not know he is her father.
2. I agree Dan's mother is likely to be Mrs Hawking. Or is that too obvious ?
3. Ellie is important and could also be Mrs Hawking and/or Dans mother. Again may be too obvious.
4. Waxman/Candle/Changs child is Miles.
5. Dan was also born on the island. This is why all three were chosen by Abbadon.
6. Did the Others bury Jughead at the Swan ? Is this why there is all the concrete there ?
7. I read/heard somewhere that those times Locke appears/disappears in earlier season (like when he killed Naomi then apparently vanished) was him jumping in time and not the "real" Locke. I like that.
Overall I am really liking the season so far and was surprised by the Widmore revelation however I am struggling to get my head around the whole Dan with Des and with Pierre Chang. How did he (Dan) not alter the timeline by meeting Des ? He (Dan) said that it can't be changed but it appears he can do things. How does Des not remember Dan when they meet on the island when Dan paracuttes in ? If not then why not from Oxford ? If they continue with the time-jumping it will get too confusing.
As for the off island stuff, it's more of a back story for now. But an interesting one.
Need to watch again ....
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mark - I DO think the swan hatch is where jughead was buried.... sayid says "I haven't seen this much concrete since chernobyl" - I don't think the connection is by happenstance.
and here's to an O6-free episode - I thought it was awesome!!!
I'm really glad we are off the flash back & forward device right now... such intentional looks into individual characters would slow down all the action for the on AND off island characters... way to much "current" story to waste time with character development.... kudos to the new look of season 5 |
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Des & penny's son, "charlie" was a toddler & existing at the same time as adult charles widmore was speaking with Desmond face-to-face... the toddler & old man existing at the same time as the same exact person? I just don't buy it. |
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Charlie Hume is not Charles Widmore. I don't think Charlie H is anything to do with anything. He's just Desmonds child. This may be an issue in itself (i.e. being Desmonds son he may have inherited some of Desmonds specialness).
I still think Adam and Eve (bodies in the cave) are Des and Penny. I think Des needs to go back to the island as much as anyone else.
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