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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: LOST-fade |
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This may be anathema to some of you....but, with the numerus hiati, I seem to be losing interest... 
And, are the "Lostcasters" suffering from the same malaise?
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I'm feeling the same way. Over the last two months or so I put it down to some issues on the work and home front taking up all my time/effort but I think it runs deeper than that.
I suddenly realised I'd not actually missed LOST that much during the breaks. Once *shock horror* I went out on a Thursday night and didn't watch the show until the weekend.
It's still the best show on tv and the only one I'm fully caught up with on my tivo but LOST does not have the same hold over me now as it did before. It's no longer an addiction more of a habit I just can't seem to break.
I'm wondering if it's the flashforwards and the knowledge that the O6 are off the island. Perhaps next season when the O6 are trying to get back (assumption on my part not spoiler) it'll get better but I feel this season has been overshadowed by the fact that we are working towards something we know has happened. It's kind of like reading the end of a book before you start and finding out the killer has been caught, the story of how he became caught becomes less important. The episodes themselves have been top quality but oddly the over-reaching storyline has left me cold.
The finale is less than 30 hours away and there is a distinct lack of "speculation" posts to the forum so I'm guessing either people are all apathetic or are staying away to avoid spoilers.
I think the Lostcasters must feel any LOST-fade more so as it's a big time sink for them --- they've got to do research and travel and do the cast. We just sit at our desks and type nonsense all day .....
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Indeed...nonsense...I agree. 
I have yet to watch part 1 of the Finale...
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I think that this site is very much driven by the podcast, and given that there hasn't been one in so long, that's a factor in things being quiet around here. As for our podcasters... I'm certainly disapointed by the lack of shows recently, and the painfully short shows this season.
That said, I think the more direct nature of the show also kills of speculation. Season two was all about the hatch--but what was the hatch story, if only a season-long delay to say "Desmond didn't push the button and the plane crashed?"
At any rate, I certainly do have the feeling that Lost has lost a little steam. Perhaps if there wasn't the strike break, we'd feel differently? I dunno....
Edit: And, you know what? I think that the deminished role of user comments and phone commens on the podcast has not only shortened the podcast, but effected the quality. The guys are certainly extremely intelligent... IF all three can sit down, which is a rarety lately. Go back and look at season two podcasts: they would sometimes podcast all three weekends during a 3 week break. At least we can count on no podcasts until January, after this last one. 
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I ask myself how often the podcasters take time to read whats goin on in the forum here. I definately think the forum deserves a discussion slot on the podcast instead of the slight references it gets. That might encourage more people to post, and i also think the forum should be made more public to people. More members means more speculation and more speculation means this place wont run dry as it seems to be doing more often. I only joined in march and i love it but i would definately appreciate more input from new members, not that input from the old members is bad, i'd just like more diversity.
Getting back on track, i feel the same as alot of people, i dont think the shows kept all its audience and if this break wasnt for a season finale i think alot more people wouldnt be bothered watching it.
I agree that the strike did not help things and the producers managed to the best of their ability to recover from that. But with all the hiatus stuff going on lately, im used to not watching lost.... hence why i dont think i'll miss it that much when the season ends. I think it's going to be alot more of a bearable wait than last season.
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Well, this is slightly off-topic, but if you want some rip-roaring good fun, along with the occational mindscrew, do check out Mr. Abrams Alias during this long Lost break. The season two finale is will throw you for loops.
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I don't feel the show has declined any nor have I lost my passion for Lost.
However, I do agree the podcasters have not been on their 'game' this season. I had zero qualms with the fact they didn't update their site or podcast during the break between seasons 3 and 4. But to not podcast leading up to the finale is a major letdown and, I think, a missed opportunity to create some conversation around here.
The short and content-light podcasts this season have not been engaging and have contributed little in the way of fodder for the forum. I hate to say it, but I it won't surprise me if they don't return for next season.
In some ways, this site and the dedicated listeners of Lostcast have contributed to it's decline: more often than not, most of the ideas and topics covered in a podcast have already been well hashed out here. Anyone obsessed enough with Lost to seek out a weekly podcast about it is surely capable of 'reading the forums because they want to'.
Overall, I could live with the occasional thorough and engaging podcast. Maybe some more participation in the forums by the podcasters. And 2 eagerly anticipated seasons of Lost. Thank God we've still got that.
In any case, I am jazzed for the finale and will thoroughly miss Thursday nights with Lost.
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I agree with Chris the podcasts have been a little off this season and that's probably because I've read most theories here beforehand. This season has been far more answer based than question based so the guys have been somewhat starved of content.
I don't think it's just them either, in my opinion many of J Woods blogs have been over the top as well, it's like he's desperately searching for some link or complexity that is even more tenuous than the last. Mind you I think he's suffering some from competion from other bloggers who seem to have the inside track. Wood is the thinking mans LOST blogger in the same way Lostcasts is the thinking mans LOST podcast.
Also I now listen to Jay and Jack even though they are not that great and just re-hash they get lots of feedback with some interesting theories (and some crap ones) and despite what the haters say I like them and thay can be funny. They cast twice a week every week regardless, consistency is the way to build a loyal fan base. They and their fans don't seem to be suffering from LOST-fade. The Transmission is back also which is another good podcast -- esp. for insider info on filming Ryan is clearly not fading.
I've not been over to the Fuselage in a long long time but I'd guess that would be the place to run the litmus test on LOST-fade syndrome.
Here it's been pretty dead .... Matt L started a "pre-hash" speculation type thread on the Finale Part 2 & 3 forum and I started a "Who's gonna die" thread but neither really generated any interest. Last season I recall lots of speculation about Charlie dying, Naomi, the freighter etc. now there is little about Jin, the freightees, the actual rescue, the Orchid etc.
And yes this site is dominated by a few people -- if you take a look at the list of members by posts you'll see less than 10 with over 100, less than 30 have posted 10 comments or more. 140 members have never posted (this will include the spammers who have been banned).
Perhaps some of us are just tired and jaded by life rather than LOST and we're projecting.
However to end on a positive note, with twelve hours to go I admit, I'm getting more excited, a friend is coming by and we're going to what the finale over a few beers.
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What a great topic to discuss ...
IMHO, I think there are several factors contributing to people's general "LOST-fade" as of late ...
- Too many breaks (month-long hiatus + extra-week break between the 2 parts of the S4 finale) for a planned 13-week uninterrupted S4 run.
- "Cabin Fever" & "There's No Place Like Home - Part 1" were both set-up eps, so no real new mysteries were introduced in the past couple weeks, which I think led to the lack of theorizing/speculation in the last week.
- Also, as DL/CC have stated previously, we are on the downhill slope of the story, which means that we will to resolve more things & less questions will be created as we continue to move along to the end of the series ... I remember all the speculation about "What was in the hatch?" between S1 & S2, but I don't think you would have that same vast scope of speculation now, simply because of the mythology that we already know.
- As pointed out previously in this thread, the intro of flashforwards into the storytelling has had a great effect on the crazy theorizing during the past seasons ... The speculation/theorizing has gone from "Where is this going?" (which is a truly open-ended question with infinite possibilities) to "How do they get there?"
As for the "LOST-fade" on these forums, I agree with Matt that conversations on this site are driven by the podcast and without LOSTcasts, this site very much suffers. I think Chris & Brewski are on the right track and this forum should be more actively connected to the podcast ... I like the idea of the LOSTcasters being more involved in this forum (posting more discussions, polls, ideas, etc.), as well as using more info from this forum in the podcast (like maybe picking a couple interesting topics from the forum each podcast, adding in their own 2 cents).
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I don't have Lost-fade just yet but I understand the comments above.
Lost was more interesting when we didn't know what was going on.
The Lostcasts podcast is a theories based show and there hasn't been
that many juicy theories this season.Mind you, that podcast where the
was 10 minutes of Sawyer nicknames made me fast forward for the
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| - As pointed out previously in this thread, the intro of flashforwards into the storytelling has had a great effect on the crazy theorizing during the past seasons ... The speculation/theorizing has gone from "Where is this going?" (which is a truly open-ended question with infinite possibilities) to "How do they get there?" |
@ebonX
Do you think that this will change back to "Where is this going?" again now that the flashforwards of the O6 off the island seem to have concluded somewhat?
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Do you think that this will change back to "Where is this going?" again now that the flashforwards of the O6 off the island seem to have concluded somewhat? |
To answer your question: 'Yes and No' (Boy is that a LOST answer, if ever there was one!)
Yes - We are now back to a "What's going to happen next?" mode, rather than a "How do we get the O6 to 2007/2008?" mode (which was S4 mode).
No - TPTB have now confined the scope of the "What's going to happen next?" questions, where as, at the end of S1 & S2, the questions were truly open-ended ... S1 - "What is in the hatch?"; S2 - "What happened when the sky turned purple?" ... Now (after S4), the speculation/theorizing is more like a game of "Clue", rather than a creative writing assignment. I mean, does not anyone disagree that most (if not all) the off-Island Losties will eventually return to the Island?!? ... That's not really a mystery.
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@ebonX
You have a good point, the off-island Losties are very likely to return to the island but at least we don't know that for sure. Last night when Sayid and later Ben were fighting Keamy we knew neither died so the edge was removed. With the O6 trying to get back I feel that there is a chance that someone may die in the process. We also have the Ben+Jacks crew and Widmore+Sun team ups -- though I think Sun is working on her own and using Widmore and is still "with the Losties" not forming some axis of evil agaist them.
We also have Penny and Des in the mix and the Zodiac Team, I don't think they people on the zodiac are dead certainly I hope Daniel isn't. I think we've not seen the last of Lapidus either. Also we need to find out how and more imprtantly why Locke left the island. I suspect he turned the frozen donkey wheel but why ?
Then we have the news from Locke that bad stuff happened after they had left .... what bad stuff, I mean who's left to fight -- surley the remaining Losties and the Others would be relatively aligned. And what of Charlotte and her birth on the island. An Other or Dharma ? And don't forget we still have the Alpert aging mystery to solve as well as many more.
Lots to cover in S5, I'm looking forward to it.
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I agree whole-heartedly that Lost has 'confined it's scope'. However, the idea shouldn't be exclusive to Lost. The very notion of the idea can generally be applied to any story. At the beginning the potential is endless. The stage being set and so forth. The players introduced and examined. Simply finding these elements fascinating is the hook. The story the writers want to tell takes place here. As the writers tell their story, the inevitable narrowing of 'what could happen' takes place and we either like it or not. I loved the first Matrix movie, then hated where the story went, completely lost interest in the sequels. So, the question is, do we trust the writers to keep delivering a great story? I do. And I think anyone on this forum probably does. Yes, there have been missteps and disappointments, but when you hold those up against the frequency of really great storytelling, it's clear Lost earns its fan's 'faith'.
No question I am looking forward to the final two seasons of Lost.
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Moderators are asked to take a peek at a related thread I've started in the Moderator Central thread.
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I agree with the fact that we know eventually they'll all return. As kristin on Eonline mentioned (and also the guys on this podcasts) that season 5 will focus on them trying to get back to the island and season 6 will then focus on what happens when they all reunite.
So in my opinion there'll be alot of suspense moments in season 5 and alot of "Will they, Won't they" moments with regards everyone agreeing to go back to the island. But the outcome is predictable.
What wont be predictable will be the events on the island and im sure we can expect another death next season from a major to minor character (possibly rose/bernard or daniel) just to keep us on the edge of our seats. And who knows where/when the island has ended up.
So to surmise @ebonX
I completely agree with your diplomatic yes/no lost answer 
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I think Matt Lafferty had a great point with the user comments. Early on we used to get a lot more of Calls from the fans and they used to take user comments off their own site & the fuselage all the time. That was a great aspect to the show.
I listen to a morning show on the radio everyday and it would suck without audience participation.
I understand the hiatus stuff, the writer's strike, people having babies & jobs & real lives that don't allow them to get together as much. But it would be cool to have the rest of us still involved on that level too.
on the Plus side... I'm always happy to see they rarely (if ever) would take shots at the users who spin out into full-fledged childish bitch-sessions on the web about their content. Whether it's flack for Tasha, length of a podcast or time away from casting at all. They always seem to podcast with dignity... like Grown-ups. |
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We just try to have fun. We show up, let John set the agenda and just roll with it. We tend to ignore the haters because we really don't care.
The way the show is playing out has stolen some of our speculative steam. Although I think this last cast was full of classic LOSTcasts speculation. Kids and new jobs have also taken their toll. Plus, literary and genre references have given way to quantum physics (shockingly not our best subject).
We'll keep doing the cast to the final episode. It's fun. It's our geek golf date. We still love LOST and are still amazed that people give a crap about what we think of it. Those that like it, keep listening those that don't - thanks for coming out. The exit is to the left.
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Matt, nice to hear from you.
Glad you'll be casting for the next two seasons.
Keep up the good work .... you can always use the off season to brush up on your exotic matter/worm hole/quantum physics .... maybe 
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